Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock Open Up About Friendship, Motherhood and Love

It's going to be okay.

一切都會沒事的。

Everything is going to be okay? Just like it was when we had to bury a corpse under a rose bush? That kind of fine, or different?

一切都會沒事？就像我們不得不把屍體埋在玫瑰花叢下一樣？是那種沒事，還是不一樣？

You guys are having so much fun together, and this kind of chemistry, I feel like it's just once... it only happens once in a blue moon.

你們在一起好開心喔，而這種化學反應，我覺得真的是千載難逢。

Yeah. And it's usually correlated with, like, a romantic thing.

對啊。而且通常這都跟愛情有關。

There's like a lot of romance there.

那裡有滿滿的浪漫氛圍。

This isn't romance?

這不算浪漫嗎？

Will you let me finish?

妳能讓我說完嗎？

Seeing them together and watching them work the red carpet, it's hard to believe that 28 years has passed...

看著她們在一起、走紅毯的模樣，很難相信已經過了 28 年……

...since Sandra Bullock and Nicole Kidman first starred as the Owens sisters in "Practical Magic"...

……自從珊卓布拉克和妮可基嫚首次在《超異能快感》中飾演歐文斯姊妹花……

...cursed witches who are apparently as different off-camera as they are on screen.

……這對受詛咒的女巫，私底下顯然就和螢幕上一樣性格迥異。

I watched one of your interviews with Katie Couric in 1998, and this is what you said.

我看過妳們在 1998 年接受凱蒂庫瑞克採訪的片段，妳們當時是這麼說的。

We don't have anything in common, except for at the dinner table with a bottle of wine.

我們沒有任何共通點，除了坐在餐桌前喝一瓶紅酒時除外。

Period.

句點，就這樣。

Same. Still same.

一樣。現在還是一樣。

We moved to champagne.

只不過我們換成喝香檳了。

We didn't see each other for... I mean, we saw each other on red carpets, but the immediacy of suddenly sharing deeply intimate things...

我們好一陣子沒見……我是說，我們曾在紅毯上遇過，但突然毫無保留地分享極為私密的心事……

...that all goes into performance.

……那些全部都融入到了表演之中。

Their lives over the last two-plus decades full of joy and also loss and heartache.

在過去的二十多年裡，她們的生活充滿了喜悅，同時也有失去與心痛。

Today, 62-year-old Sandra Bullock and 59-year-old Nicole Kidman are parenting teenagers.

如今，62 歲的珊卓布拉克和 59 歲的妮可基嫚都在撫養青少年子女。

Nicole shares 18-year-old Sunday Rose and 15-year-old Faith Margaret with her former husband, Keith Urban.

妮可與前夫凱斯厄本共同育有 18 歲的桑黛蘿絲和 15 歲的菲絲瑪格麗特。

Sandra has 16-year-old Louis and 13-year-old Laila, both of whom she adopted.

珊卓則有 16 歲的路易斯和 13 歲的萊拉，兩人都是她領養的孩子。

You just get ready, girl. It's coming.

妳就做好心理準備吧，女孩。考驗要來了。

Raising teenagers is hard?

撫養青少年很辛苦嗎？

I think it's a joy. I mean, is it hard? Aspects of it can be challenging, but at the same time, is it extraordinary to accompany these people on their journey...

我覺得這是一種喜悅。我是說，很辛苦嗎？某些方面確實有挑戰性，但同時，能陪伴這些人走過他們的人生旅程……

...and the beginning of their journey, and just say, "I'm here"?

……見證他們人生的開端，並對他們說「我在這裡」，這不是無比珍貴嗎？

Why is it hard, Sandy?

珊迪，為什麼會覺得辛苦呢？

I mean, you know, we're different this... I'm uber paranoid, and they will tell you.

我是說，妳知道的，我們在這一點上很不一樣……我超級容易神經質，他們也會這麼跟妳說。

They're like, "Mom, it's going to be fine." I'm like, "It's not fine. It's not fine outside."

他們會說：「媽，不會有事的。」我會說：「才不會沒事，外面危險得很。」

The energy that is floating around our country and our world again...

在我們國家以及整個世界上飄散的那股氛圍……

The color of their skin... they're my babies, they're my life, but no one knows that when they leave my house.

還有他們的膚色……他們是我的寶貝，是我的全部，但當他們走出家門時，沒有人會知道這些。

So that is always in the forefront of my mind.

所以這件事永遠縈繞在我的心頭。

You know, I'm now learning to trust them. Where they are now is extraordinary.

妳知道的，我現在正學著去信任他們。他們現在的成長狀態非常棒。

Every time I see Sandy, I get emotional.

每次我看到珊迪，我都百感交集。

Don't look at Hoda, because I'll tell you why.

別看荷達，因為我會告訴妳原因。

Ten years ago...

十年前……

Now I'm getting emotional too.

現在我也跟著激動起來了。

We're so connected.

我們彼此的心靠得好近。

I missed the window to have children, and I felt terrible about it.

我錯過了生孩子的時機，對此我感到很難過。

I knew it was like my cross to bear. I kept saying, "Don't worry about it, you don't get everything in life, stop asking for everything."

我知道這就像是我必須承受的十字架。我一直對自己說：「別擔心這個了，人生本來就不能事事如意，別再奢求一切了。」

And then I turned on the TV, and one of those shows had mentioned that Sandra Bullock had adopted a baby from New Orleans named Louis.

然後我打開電視，其中一個節目提到珊卓布拉克從紐奧良領養了一個名叫路易斯的嬰兒。

And I literally Googled, "How old is Sandra Bullock?"

我立刻上網 Google：「珊卓布拉克幾歲？」

And I was like, she's my exact age.

然後我發現，她跟我年紀一模一樣。

Wow.

哇。

I burst out into tears. I reached out, and I called you, and I said, "I have to ask you a question."

我當場放聲大哭。我主動聯絡了妳，打電話給妳說：「我必須問妳一個問題。」

I said, "Tell me what it's like."

我說：「告訴我那是什麼感覺。」

I remember when you sent the text from the plane.

我還記得妳在飛機上傳給我的那則簡訊。

I sent Sandy a text from the plane that said, "I'm on the way."

我在飛機上傳了簡訊給珊迪，上面寫著：「我正在路上了。」

And she changed the course of my life. I now have a nine-year-old and a seven-year-old, solely because of that moment.

她徹底改變了我的人生軌跡。我現在有一個九歲和一個七歲的孩子，完全都是因為那一刻。

It's not going to happen, I'm not going to let you do this. I'm fine.

我不會哭的，我才不會讓妳把我弄哭。我很好。

Their families come in a million different ways. You know, you know, I know. We all have these kind of very interesting families that come in different ways.

家庭的組成有千萬種不同的樣貌。妳懂、妳懂、我也懂。我們都有這種以不同形式組成的、非常有趣的家庭。

Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock say one of the many reasons they feel drawn to their "Practical Magic" characters...

妮可基嫚和珊卓布拉克表示，她們之所以對《超異能快感》的角色深深著迷，原因之一……

...is because of their fierce devotion to and protection of their families.

……就是因為她們對家庭那種堅定不移的奉獻與保護。

And of course, the enduring theme of love.

當然，還有那歷久彌新的主題——愛。

Can I ask you guys, do you guys still believe in love?

我可以問妳們嗎？妳們現在還相信愛情嗎？

God, yes. It's... I mean, when I hear "love", my mind does not go to an intimate relationship with someone of the opposite sex, in my case, the opposite sex.

天啊，當然。我的意思是……當我聽到「愛」這個詞，我的腦海不會立刻聯想到跟我異性對象的親密關係，對我來說是異性。

I immediately go to, what am I feeling right now? Like, what's sitting in my chest?

我會立刻去想，我現在心裡的感受是什麼？就像是，此刻充盈在我胸口的是什麼？

Like, I don't shut down when things leave or get taken or, you know, explode. I don't.

就像當某些事物離去、被奪走，或是化為烏有時，我不會封閉自己。我真的不會。

I rest, I give time, but it just... it's always there, just in a different form.

我會沉澱，給自己時間，但它……它一直都在，只是以不同的形式存在。

Exactly. If you can move towards, "Okay, it's not this type of love now, it's this love", I just think it's a much easier place to operate from.

沒錯。如果你能轉念想著「好，現在不是這種形式的愛了，而是另一種愛」，我覺得那樣的生活心態會輕鬆許多。

It can be very hard, but it's so... it's like a soothing balm if you can get there. And why not?

這可能很難做到，但如果妳能達到那個境界，它就像是一劑撫慰心靈的良藥。何樂而不為呢？

Why not? Yeah, why not?

何樂而不為？對啊，為什麼不呢？

So let me ask you something, Hoda.

那我問妳一件事喔，荷達。

Oh, no.

噢，慘了。

I was watching a morning program, oddly, one that you're on.

我之前看了一個晨間節目，很巧的是，剛好是妳主持的那一集。

And a question was posed to you about a flight that you took, and then there was a little conversation and a little sparklet. Like, what happened?

有人問了妳搭飛機時的事，然後聊著聊著好像有點小火花。所以到底發生了什麼事？

Okay. So I was on a plane, and I sat next to some guy and he was super whatever.

好吧。事情是我搭飛機時，坐在一個男生旁邊，他整個人非常……隨便啦。

And he had, like... Was he super handsome?

而且他有著……他超級帥嗎？

How do you know that? Yes! I watched the segment.

妳怎麼知道？沒錯！我有看那個節目片段。

And he and we did exchange numbers and "bye". And then we each went, so I didn't know if it was like a connection like, like a just a bond for a second, or was it something... I don't know.

然後他……我們互換了電話，說了再見。接著我們就各自離開了，所以我不知道那只是一瞬間的默契與連結，還是有其他……我不知道。

I still don't know. This is great!

我現在還是不知道。這太棒了！

But by the way...

但順便說一句……

This is my favorite interview. This is like intense.

這是我最喜歡的一次專訪。這感覺太精彩了。

"Juicy, soft skin." You are so weird.

「水嫩又柔軟的肌膚。」妳真的太怪了啦。

Good god! Well, that's important! If you look at someone you go, "Am I going to enjoy touching their very soft skin? You will enjoy it."

我的天啊！好吧，那很重要耶！如果妳看著一個人，心想：「我會喜歡撫摸他極為柔軟的肌膚嗎？妳會喜歡的。」

Okay, maybe we'll leave it right there. Sandra actually said that that interview went to a different universe.

好的，我們這段就先聊到這裡。珊卓甚至說那場訪問根本去到了另一個平行宇宙。

I love those two together. Sandra and Nicole are magic. Their dynamic on screen is just as powerful and fantastic as it is off screen.

我太愛她們兩個在一起了。珊卓和妮可真的是充滿魔力。她們在螢幕上的互動，就和私底下螢幕外一樣強大而精彩。

Guys, back to you.

主播群，鏡頭交還給你們。

You know the real reason that it went down there? She didn't want to answer our follow-up questions about airplane man.

妳知道她急著結束訪問的真正原因嗎？因為她不想回答我們對那位「飛機男」的後續追問啦。

Me too. Sounds like she's dating the guy on an airplane.

我也這麼覺得。聽起來她好像正在跟飛機上認識的那個人約會耶。

I don't think so. Is she dating the guy on an airplane? No, she wants to date him.

我不這麼認為。她正在跟飛機上的那個人約會嗎？沒有啦，是她想要跟他約會。

She hard launched it on the fourth hour. Let's hope he called, because if at this point if he hasn't...

她直接在第四個小時的節目裡高調公開了。希望那男的有打來，因為如果到現在還沒打……

He's calling. I don't feel good about it. Call Hoda! Call Hoda! She's a catch.

他會打的啦。我覺得不太妙。快打給荷達！快打給荷達！她可是個大好對象呢。

And go see "Practical Magic 2" in theaters on Thursday. On Thursday.

週四也別忘了進戲院支持《超異能快感 2》。週四上映喔。

By the way, you can hear Hoda's full conversation with Sandra and Nicole on her Making Space podcast.

順便提一下，大家可以在荷達的《Making Space》Podcast 節目中收聽她與珊卓及妮可的完整訪談內容。

Search for it wherever you listen.

在各大收聽平台搜尋即可找到。

Hey, thanks for watching, and don't forget you can catch the Today Show every morning on NBC...

嘿，感謝您的收看，別忘了每天早上都可以在 NBC 收看《Today Show》……

...or take Today when you're on the go. Just follow the TODAY podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen.

……或者在出門在外時隨身收聽。只要在 Apple Podcasts、Spotify 或任何您常用的平台追蹤《TODAY》Podcast 即可。